Author's Note: The below blog was written on January 28th 2009. It was after a telephone conversation with one of the boys who I respect immensely. It got me thinking about the state of the business and all my frustration and disappointment came to the surface. At the time I felt the local scene had degenerated to the point where too many people were pulling it in so may contradictory directions that it would ultimately tear it down. At the time, I could not have predicted the stupidity and bullshit would actually get worse.
I chose not to post this at the time for a variety of reasons. I felt it was incomplete and never got around to finishing it. I also felt it was emotionally honest and while I am generally a pretty open and honest guy, expressing frustration and disappointment is held up by others as either a weakness or an example that their efforts to cause unrest have been successful and it fills them with joy. I didn't want to give them that satisfaction. The reality, however, is that those people and their actions don't "bother" me - they sadden me. It hurts to see people you once respected and considered friends to fall to such depressing levels of emotional distress.
And finally, I didn't want to shine a light on some of the stupidity that was going on locally. Wrestling in Winnipeg has always existed (and sometimes succeeded) in spite of itself and the incompetence and ego of some of the people in it. I had promised certain people that we'd take the high road, that we'd sit back and absorb the bullshit and keep doing what we do without resorting to the same desperate attempts to turn the business into their personal and pathetic playground. But truly, enough is enough.
So as I sat down to write about the Manitoba wrestling industry and all the ridiculous things that go on, I stumbled across this previously written blog and felt it was a good prelude. Keeping in mind I wrote it in January, I think it sets the table nicely for Part II...If you disagree with me, no problem. If you don't want to read what I write, click away now. This blog has become a little wishy-washy - it's time to get back to throwing the light of reality back onto the wrestling business. Enjoy.
PART I - January 28th 2009
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
It's been an inordinate length of time between blogs but there has been some exceptionally legitimate reasons for that.
For one, I've been very busy. Not only do I like to dedicate a lengthy period of time to actually sit down and write one of these, I avoid writing anything when I'm not in the mood to do so. I have to "feel it", and that goes for website content as well. As a bit of a night owl, the times I "feel it" are generally at night, but those nights where I have had time and didn't have to get up early have been few and far between in recent weeks.
Secondly, I've really had nothing to say that I think anyone would want to read. Sure, I could comment on Barack Obama becoming the new leader of the universe or the Winnipeg Blue Bomber's intriguing off-season, but given the state of wrestling right now, would anyone really want to read that?
And finally, I've been on the fence about whether to write about the things people would likely be interested in reading. Too often over the years that I've been in the business, once has had to choose whether to avoid causing heat or to be honest. It's difficult to be honest and not cause heat.
In 2007 I made a decision (I might have stated it in this blog, I don't recall), that 2008 would be my last year in the business. It seems pretty evident that you only leave the business if you're forced out or in a bodybag. You never really leave. I wanted to have an exit strategy. The cyclical nature of the business always provides a great excuse to keep fighting. Either business is bad and you want to prove you can fight through it or business is good and you're enjoying it too much to walk away. There is never an "out". I figured if I gave myself a year, I could do all the things creatively that I wanted and wind PCW down the way I wanted to. And if I had a specific date of departure, then I would walk away regardless of what part of the cycle we were on at the time.
The LID was scheduled to be closed in 2008 and at the end 0f 2007, it looked to be towards the end of the year. If ever there was an "out" for the taking, that would be it.
When the LID did close in March and we drew the largest gate for a non-name show that I can ever recall anyone doing and went out in a very special way with guys from every promotion represented, I was ready to walk away.
PCW started for a variety of reasons. I've said repeatedly that the main hook to get me involved aside form my love of wrestling was watching someone like Mentallo be mis-used in TRCW, for the specific reason that it was a talent like Mentallo but because of what it represented - that the most talented guy on the roster at the time wasn't getting the quality opportunity to develop his skills for whatever reason, mainly because he wasn't a favourite of the booker. And he wasn't the only one.
My idea of a successful wrestling promotion was one that was providing the best place for the boys to develop their skills. Too many guys with too large of egos truly believe that just because they are in the same basic industry as Vince McMahon that he will be looking over his shoulder, concerned that they will somehow effect his business. They determine who gets pushed by who kisses their ass, buys them the most beers or whom they consider their best friend on any particular day.
When guys get past the bewildering realization that they have somehow got themselves into the same business they grew up watching on television, they might see that we are essentially a grassroots level of an industry, much like community theatre. Someone doing bad Shakespeare for free in front of handful of people might be in the same business as Tom Hanks, but they are not Tom Hanks. I think that gets lost on a lot of people.
Bad wrestling offends me because it's a hindrance to what the goal of wrestling at our level should be - to have a healthy industry where guys can develop their skills and hopefully move onto the next level. This shouldn't be to wrestling what playing road hockey on a Sunday afternoon with your buddies, joking about catching on with the Penguins is to hockey. If it is, set up your ring in your backyard, have a few beers and live out your WrestleMania fantasies where you can't do any damage to the business. Using the hockey analogy, this should be the junior leagues, where we are icing a competitive, talented roster with the intent to provide the best opportunities for guys to develop their skills. Not everyone will make the big leagues. Most won't, but a few will or could and that should be our stated goal.
I think PCW has been successful because I've never lost sight of the reasons for our existence. It was for the boys and for the fans who wanted to watch the art form of wrestling. Years later, we can look upon PCW and see Mentallo having opportunities in Mexico, Kenny having opportunities everywhere (and holding championships in three different countries at the same time), which isn't bad for a couple of guys who, not too long ago, were called "Vanilla Midgets" by someone who never had success outside of Winnipeg (not a knock, just the truth). Other guys, Adam Knight training in Japan, perhaps opportunities for Angels and several other guys talented enough to work in a lot of other places. Thankfully PCW did exist and thankfully we kept our eye on what was important about the business.
So what's the point? Well, I didn't walk away in 2008. No one ever leaves the wrestling business.
I had a long conversation with someone today who made some good points (and some not very good points too). The reality is, I don't even like wrestling anymore. Being involved in the business and being exposed to the stupidity and the anti-constructive suicidal tendencies killed any love for it I might have once had. Perhaps that is an exaggeration. Perhaps a small part of me deep down inside still loves it. Maybe not. I think what drives me is the knowledge that the local business desperately needs PCW. I cannot abandon the business, the boys and the fans to whatever would remain if we got out. I respect the guys and the fans too much.
The business creates too many "bad" people, who do and say things that would be considered absolutely unheard of in every other industry and I hate that aspect.I hate the fact a business that doesn't pay me or anyone else a living locally is a full time job. I hate the fact I share a business with people who'd just as soon make your project a failure than make their own a success. In fact, they'd probably prefer that. I hate the fact that for every inch forward you take, there is a team of people with nothing better to do than try and knock you back a foot.
But what I hate the most is the fact the business has made me do things that I wouldn't otherwise do. The person I spoke with today reminded me that I have been very honest and forthcoming about my opinion over the years. He was right. The fact is, I am probably the most criticised and insulted person in the local wrestling business, with the exception maybe of Ernie because he has a few years on me. But it's close. With success, comes the criticism. I have no problem with that. And I think it has to do with the continued existence of PCW. In some ways, I equate it to breaking up with a person you were with for awhile - you might feel it was the best decision for you, but seeing that person happy with someone else drives you crazy. A few guys "broke up" with PCW in 2003 and it still, to this day, drives them crazy to see PCW happy and prosperous with others. These people still talk about "2002" (will probably run angles based on it too), have tried repeatedly to hurt PCW and have boldly proclaimed to many their desire to see PCW put out of business. Really? It's time to get over it.
The same people that say PCW is shitty, that insult our fans, our crew and everything else we do, also desperately want our crew, our fans and our style of show. It's transparent and obvious. The same people who criticise our venue would be down there trying to secure it if we ever left.
But having said that, I've said things too. And that wasn't who I was when I got into the business in the first place. I haven't said anything overly critical in awhile. Two things jump out as reason for that, one being when the LID closed, I was out of the business. And the second, when Dick Walker attacked me on the radio show. That made me realise that a) Dick Walker is batshit crazy (which is kinda cool), and b) that my words were hurtful enough that he was willing to fight over them.
So as rare as this is, I apologize for saying Busgy couldn't book his way out of a wet paper bag (Bugsy seems to give a shit and that's more than some people). And seriously, I apologize for being overly critical of people in the business. To me, the frustration comes in having such a solid grasp of what the business should be and feeling like it's such an uphill battle to get everyone to play nicely in the sandbox. The business shouldn't be about your friends kissing your ass for a spot or putting on average-at-best shows but bragging about how they were the greatest of all time. It should be about whats best for the business, boys and fans. Period.
I got into the business to help give guys who wanted it a good place to develop their skills and work on quality shows without having to worry about sucking up to the booker. My vision of the business, where the best performers are pushed, where the good of the show is of paramount importance, where attracting fans to the art of wrestling, has turned out to be the correct one. In the grand scheme of things, the market is weak. It's the "drunken smarks" that prop up the business. Popping a number means getting our friends and family to come out and support us. This is clearly evident on certain shows.
People criticise my promoting because I was honest in saying I consider myself more of a showrunner than a promoter. Where are all the genius promotional ideas that were promised, that I am too stupid to have thought of? 3000 posters? Handing out flyers at a WWE event? Running ads on a station no wrestling fan would listen to? Perhaps I don't do those things, not because I am a bad promoter, but because I'm smart enough to know what works and does not work and because I value, at the end of the day, making back at least as much money as I put in.
PCW is not an investment for me. I am not looking at PCW to be my retirement nest egg. It needs to break even in order to survive because it exists for the boys and the fans, not for me. A show that might draw 50 more people but spent $2000 more to do so is not a business plan I would want to emulate. But the people involved in that show will brag about it until they're blue in the face. If it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious.
In August 2003, PCW went out of business, driven out of the business by the same person who guided three other promotions to the same fate since then. My vision is to survive so the boys and the fans benefit, not to stroke my ego or to try and get a job in the business somewhere else. It's a simple vision and we've been more successful than anyone else ever has running local wrestling in Winnipeg.
On Christmas Day when no one was online to read it (except for the guy who emailed me I suppose), Danny Duggan announced his intention to start his promotion. The first person to make any public comments about it were me, wishing them luck. In truth, I thought (from what I was hearing), that Danny was tired of being a good worker surrounded by less than quality workers in SPW and RME. I thought 'finally, someone else wants to run quality wrestling, to put the show first'. I eagerly anticipated an email or phone call from Danny where we would share our vision and happily do everything in our efforts to make the local industry a success and reward the best talent in the city. But it never came. All that came was badmouthing on the Internet and badmouthing to guys behind my back.
Foolish me, to think that Danny would contact me after asking me to email Rob Stardom as a "courtesy" when I wanted him to come work for PCW. Seems rather hypocritical to me.
No, no contact. But I did hear from promoters who received emails purportedly from me, trying to set up members of my crew to look unprofessional. Fans being called terrible things for the sin of liking PCW. This 'burn the oil fields' mentality where they'd rather lose a paying fan as long as PCW does too...ridiculous.
Reading blog postings from someone attacking me when he lives in the most fragile of glass houses was more amusing than aggravating, but a great example of what this new promotion was going to be.
When people are told specifically that the goal is to put PCW out of business, why would I endorse my crew working those shows? Two other projects had the same stated goal and are now a distant memory. What's the point of that anyway?
There isn't a promotion in Manitoba that I would not gladly do business with if it was to the benefit of the business and the boys and the fans. I'm the only promoter who feels that way. The others join a "blacklist", with the intent of trying to put us out of business.
Angus emailed me in December to make a "deal" that, in his words, did not include the Danny/Davidson project. He was encouraged to remain with the blacklist and would not even respond to the response to his suggestion. All of this...all of it leads to a business worse off than it was, not better.
I was at CWE's show. It wasn't a great show. I'll apologize in advance. I suppose my opinion carries more weight than a "paying fan" (and I had comps anyway), but the truth is, I expected to be wow'ed. When you cause so much heat, say such terrible things, lie, blacklist, send fake emails, threaten people...I expect the action to back up the words. It didn't.
Speaking of which, here are more words to live by "Action Expresses Priorities". When the actions are to insult fans, insult a promoter's girlfriend, lie to achieve a result, urge a blacklist to hinder a competitor, send fake emails, cause a disturbance on a competitor's show - that shows you the priority. Don't listen to the words. Those are lies. Look at the actions.
Our actions are to continue to fight through the attacks and the efforts to hinder our business to provide the best, most consistent place for the guys to develop their skills and for fans to enjoy quality wrestling. Those are our actions. Those are our priorities.
There is a line in competition that shouldn't be crossed. There is fierce determination to be better than the competition and then there's dirty pool. There is creating success for yourself and then there's trying to deliver failure for others.
In 2003, PCW was attacked by a new competitor. We fought the good fight, stayed true to our vision and excelled as the best place to work and the best shows for the fans. We became a beacon for those that would see us fail to come back to. In 2004, it happened again. Again, we did what we do best - keep chugging along. And we welcomed back everyone who wanted desperately for us to fail, who criticised us, insulted us, lied about us. And now...yet again.
Why must we suffer the consequences of our desire to succeed, our willingness to survive for no other reason than to provide quality shows and a good place to wrestle? Why are others so determined to see us fail, that they would say or do anything to achieve that? Is it the sting of their inability to do it in the past that drives them in the present?
It's stupid. It's anti-constructive. And it's doomed to fail.
Truthfully, the efforts and extent our "competitors" have gone to to try and chase us out of the business have actually emboldened us. We won't quit.
We'll be here when the others are gone. Just as we always are.
Friday, March 27, 2009
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Wow now that is passion. Great read, and pretty much nailed it right on the head.
TJB
I didn't see you at the latest CWE show Andrew. You were smarter than me.
Chevy and Douglas vs la Somnra and Fairlane.
Douglas Promo. He's native again. La sombra and Chevy screwed up 20 times at least. 10 blown spots in 2 minutes.
Arnott is out next. Dead silence. Wayne cut a promo on him something about the radio show. No one knows whats going on. Is this supposed to piss off PCW or make CWE and Arnott look terrible?
Triad is getting the pop of the night so far.
Stardom vs arcidi next. Arcidi over during the bathroom break match. Stardom is brutal.
Next big CWE name is Sonjay Dutt. I'd be more excited if it was Sanjay Gupta. No one cares but he'll make Sanchez look big.
JJ and Moose next singing Road Dog's With My Baby Tonight. Since Road Dogg can't get over the border that's probably the only time we'll hear it. Jerin Rose kisses the Triad. Thank God those guys are here. Jerin ducks an invisible clothesline and loses.
Marious and Bobby Fox. That chick is with Fox but I thought Matthews won her last show. Bobby over with missle drop kick in an ok match.
Madison vs Damon. Not much of a crowd reaction til Bratt tells some kids to fuck off. Match wasn't much to write home about but Bratt got them heat and they didn't blow much. madison over.
Madison gets beat down for an hour and is saved by Dalton. I wonder what's going to happen. Dalton turns on Madison. I'm shocked. Dalton looks out of shape. He's on the Douglas diet. They announce a career match or something for next show. Can it be a tie? Dalton is retiring so we know who's winning. How many times have both those guys retired? It's not a retirement guys, just your last match til next month.
Guy who won a door prize said he was only there to see the triad. There were about 50 empty seats when it started and some filled in by intermission. But not as many people as last show.
Petey vs Matthews. so-so reaction for Petey which is weird. Basic matthews match but with some heat. He seemed to try but Petey had to work down to matthews. good move to finish it for petey.
Brian rich and scotty raver dancing. I wished I had to piss again. Fat masked guy beats them up in a one minute match that lasts 8 minutes.
Ladder match next. mentallo with the best reaction of the night so he's probably losing. Wayne blows the surprise of the tall ladder. They have these cheap ass ladders that are bending and breaking. Three crazy moves to get the crowd going but the actual match wasn't as good as I hoped with these three guys. They just did big spots. Sanchez wins. The most exciting part was wondering if the ladders would hold. Next time don't buy the $15 ladders.
I read someone say the main event was worth the $15 admission by itself. If they did that match and it was done I'd agree. It was another SPW show with Mentallo and Sanchez. And where were all the out of towners they promised would be on every show?
They had two good matches so it was better than last time but not worth $15 with all those jobbers on the show. I'm going to have to think long and hard next month. Which ever show has the best matches and wrestlers will get my money. I can't keep going to all the shows. They should be giving the triad free tickets cause without them that show had zero crowd energy.
signed Anonymous cause you will all bitch any way.
Didn't see the CWE show. But as far as the blog is concerned fuck man that was a hell of a read. I'm really looking forward to more on the subject.
Bratt, you hypocrite, you work for Danny's shows. And your word hasn't been worth anything ever. Not to anyone.
"This shouldn't be to wrestling what playing road hockey on a Sunday afternoon with your buddies, joking about catching on with the Penguins is to hockey. If it is, set up your ring in your backyard, have a few beers and live out your WrestleMania fantasies where you can't do any damage to the business."
Andrew, while you may never wake up to reality... what you described here is not just SOME of local independent wrestling. No, it's ALL of local independent wrestling. Including your prestigious PCW. For someone who claims to be too busy these days to focus on wrestling, you really waste a shitload of time concerning yourself with it and writing 20-page blogs about it.
"To me, the frustration comes in having such a solid grasp of what the business should be and feeling like it's such an uphill battle to get everyone to play nicely in the sandbox."
If you have such a solid grasp on it, then why do you draw such poor houses? Why has PCW not gained the slightest bit of recognition nationally, let alone in the places Kenny, Mentallo, and others get work? Nobody knows who the fuck you are, and nobody has ever heard of PCW. Yet, you never stop to take credit for the successes of Kenny, Mentallo, and others - all of whom have gone out of the city to make the contacts which eventually led to bookings with ROH, Mexico, JAPW, etc.
This is pro wrestling at the backyard level. Get a grasp on reality buddy. You're not above it - you're right in the middle of it. And you've promoted just as many shitty matches and shows as everyone else - many of which happened in the last 12 months.
You sure hit a nerve with someone. I wonder who.
"It was another SPW show with Mentallo and Sanchez."
Sanchez is an SPW regular.
Mentallo makes appearances from time to time as well.
Manitoba wrestling is no different than any other indy scene. Anybody who has watched indy DVDs or has left the province to work elsewhere will see this.
Looking at the current state of the business locally, it is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
People should be more positive about the business. All the negativity only breeds more negativity.
Marius
Probably Raver.. lol... so he leaves PCW where he jobbed to everyone to go to CWE and SPW to job to everyone.
Raver doesn't deserve to be criticised. He's a good guy and I respect him a lot.
Marious - wonderful thought. With all due respect, you surround yourself with guys who are responsible for some of the more negative aspects of the local scene. As a member of the "office" in SPW, you instituted and endorsed a "blacklist".
So again, with all due respect, practive what you preach.
A
Andrew whining has been particularly amusing, considering he's been the biggest and sorriest proponent of exclusivity.
Ain't it funny and equally hypocritical when Andrew cries because everyone has reversed exclusivity on him.
Basically they've all agreed to his terms. You can't work PCW if you work everywhere else. Note how everyone is working everywhere else.
Watch what you wish for, then bitch about it when you get it.
Yours truly,
Piece of Shit
*sign* or *facepalm*
I hesitate to respond to this ridiculous post because the writer (and we both know who you are) clearly lacks the intellectual capacity to comprehend the reality of his own statement.
I most certainly have not been "the biggest and sorriest proponent of exclusivity." I rarely if ever use that word and the truth is that PCW workers have appeared on pretty much every promotion with my advanced notice and blessing.
Regardless of delusional promoters throwing around statements like "so-and-so agreed to terms", the fact is, no one is under contract and free to do anything they want. If they choose to decline to work for other promotions, so be it. If they decline to work for PCW, so be it.
Regarding the blacklist, I never complained about it. The reality was, the promoters in question asked PCW talent to work and were declined. They then turned around, stomped their feet and said "well, my crew cant work for you then." Ok...terrific. The so-called blacklist had zero impact on PCW.
If talent chooses to be committed to any other promotion, good for them. If they choose to be committed to PCW, great for us.
When I got involved in this business, I didn't know anything about "exclusivity" at all. PCW had exclusivity at the time, but it wasn't my policy though I was in agreement with it at the time.
My position is completely the opposite. I believe "cross over" could be great for the local industry but not to the detriment of one of the promotions involved. It has to work for everyone and that is most certainly not too much to expect.
A
"I believe "cross over" could be great for the local industry but not to the detriment of one of the promotions involved. It has to work for everyone and that is most certainly not too much to expect."
Hahahahahahhaha! "Not to the detriment of a promotion"?? I didn't realize that the goings-on of local wrestling were public knowledge. No one cares about indy backyard/bar wrestling shows. The fact you take this shit so seriously is a sad commentary on your life.
Just got informed of this blog,through sources.All I can say is go FUCK YOURSELF and as for the Triad,I never swore at any kids at Duggans show,but I will say this to you FUCK YOURSELF AND GO PULL ON YOUR 3 INCH HAMMER.
Otherwise,hell of a couple shows Duggan has put on ,to the boys who Are Jealous And hide behind false names,Watch our angle and thats True fuckin old school heat,say the wrong thing At the next show and Find out that the Cannon means business while booked. I went after Pcw fans in 2004 and would love to slap a Smartmark again.
BRATT
How many more days will PCW in its current form?
No really respect Raver or not, he made a bad decision. Jobber for life Raver. Did anyone else hear that awesome pop Arnott got at the CWE show?! Yeah didn't think so I didn't hear it either! Dead fucking silence! Seriously he had something good going with the whole Syndicate angle, he made a bad decision! Moving on lets talk about Wayne Stanton! What the fuck was he on on Friday night?! One of the many fuck ups... saying Arnott was thinks he is cool because he has a little radio show! What the fuck Stanton, old age has messed with your mind, in case you forgot, you and Andrew started a NEW radio show after his got canceled! Oh and by the way thanks for getting this one canceled to after going MIA. Another one of many fuck ups was when he said Arnott could be the "gimmick boy", hey idiot half of the kids in the place have no idea what a gimmick is! One last one because really I can go on for days here, thanks for letting everyone know before the ladder match that there was "A Bigger Ladder" you retard thats suposed to be the suprise!
So this brings me to my last comment. After the shitstorm that was CWE this past friday night, I got and check out the AWE facebook site and what do I see... "Wayne Stanton has joined The New AWE and will be the company's first Commissioner." FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK ME!
This is the perfect example of these "promoters" booking and promoting there friends, give me a fucking break already!
The CWE show was their best one so far but there is still a lot of crap to sit through. I don't mind paying $15 to see a name and a good show but I thought there would be better wrestlers with the price increase. CWE is getting hurt by the feud with PCW and it goes both ways. They should both suck it up.
What does it say of you as a person that people rather detour their own business than work with you? That is because you are a real asshole and it is to the point people rather see you suffer. With a lot of the top talent locked up elsewhere PCW can never grow. Only a matter of time til you are done my friend.
Hello Andrew hope all is well.
Anyways, I can't access my website to update my straight shooting column, so I will make a post on here about the local scene.
I see the topic exclusive use comes up again. I remember back in 1999, I think it was, Power Pro Wrestling started this. Vance Nevada (who by the way has a reverse opinion on his stance back then), Stryker and Slugg all started a promotion secretly in my locker room behind my back, luring guys away, telling then they had to be exclusive, telling them not to honour their bookings, they had to quit the CWF now or take a chance of loosing their spot with power pro.
More on this on a coming blog but that is kind of where this exclusive thing started in my time.
Now the "guys" make their own choices as do the promoters but the promoters are always the target of attacks.
When personal shit happens their should be consequences for the actions and andrew has been shoulder the brunt of those attacks, as have I in the past. The same people doing the same shit and getting away with it, well for now at least.
Currently there is a lot of promotions in Wpg, which is good for the "guys" who work the promoters for spots on all these weekend shows. They can hold down a fulltime job and wrestle in the weekend. They dont need to travel with a promotion like mine to work anymore because everyone is a promoter now.
From a promoters view, it is not good for the business end to have so many promotions, which forces the promoter to have a roster that they can only see in wpg on that promoters shows.
Seeing guys wrestle friday night in front of 150 or 200 people, then some of the same guys getting booked the next nite on a different promotion that draws 19, well that says it all. You just saw them for 15 bucks why spend another 10 the next night?
Plus, the night before a large contingent of friends and family show up to support but they have no reason to do it the next night because those same people already sold their tickets to friends and family and friends and family dont want to spend two nights in a row watching the same guys on a local wrestling show.
Or the same guys wrestling on the same night in the same town 15 minutes away, great for the guys who get the double po but not so great for one of the promoters who probably lost money and the other one who's attendances are dropping in wpg.
I think Andrew has it right when it comes to PCW but I do think he has to run bi-weekly to make it more viable for his loyal guys.
When I can get access to my new blog I will cover this and other local topics since i am no longer involved in the local scene and I hope to check out a few local shows as well.
Advice, show up after intermission next time. maybe you can get in for free.
ET
I am new to all the bullshit surrounding the local business, as i've only been attending for a few years, but i have heard my fair share of stories, and all it does is sicken me. As a fan, I can say that I am less interested in local wrestling now more than ever, and it's because of all this behind-the-scenes bullshit.
Nobody draws great crowds, PCW does draw the best though. CWE is coming along nicely, RME stinks and will always stink, and SPW has the right idea but just needs better talent.
All of you guys should get over eachother, let this beef go, stop being fucking idiots, and grow up a little bit. All you're doing is making people like me, that once cared a lot more than i do now, fall even more out of love with something we used to care greatly for. You're turning the fans into people as awful as yourselves.
Great blog Andrew, and good for you.
I am new to all the bullshit surrounding the local business, as i've only been attending for a few years, but i have heard my fair share of stories, and all it does is sicken me. As a fan, I can say that I am less interested in local wrestling now more than ever, and it's because of all this behind-the-scenes bullshit.
Nobody draws great crowds, PCW does draw the best though. CWE is coming along nicely, RME stinks and will always stink, and SPW has the right idea but just needs better talent.
All of you guys should get over eachother, let this beef go, stop being fucking idiots, and grow up a little bit. All you're doing is making people like me, that once cared a lot more than i do now, fall even more out of love with something we used to care greatly for. You're turning the fans into people as awful as yourselves.
Great blog Andrew, and good for you.
hahahahahahahaha take that you piece of shit.
I gotta agree with the Anonymous post above me.
As a fan, I've become less interested in wrestling in general. At first it was just the major companies, but the "behind-the-scenes" stuff in local wrestling has become more annoying by the day. And I can only imagine it's worse for the people that are actually working/involved in the shows.
It's a real shame that there has to be so much drama. I learned a long time ago to avoid those situations, but it seems like lots of people in the business still want to cause it.
And it's so frustrating too, because I see people like Andrew, who want to make the local scene better, but it's such an uphill battle. It's frustrating when people clearly point out the problems/issues, but nobody is able to work together in order to fix them.
I would absolutely love to see people unify and have a promotion where all the best local talent can be showcased (personally, I'm thinking of PCW from 2006-early 2008)
I want to see Kenny Omega, Chad Tatum, Mentallo, Antonio Scorpio, Team Impact and Adam Knight.. working on the same roster as AJ Sanchez, Danny Duggan, Kevy Chevy and Don Douglas.
Instead, we have to see those guys split onto different shows, and work with people that we don't care to see as much. And I know I left some people out of the list above, but still, it shouldn't be like this.
PCW gives me the best overall experience for my money. It has the best roster, overall, and usually some interesting angles. The CWE shows, from what I've seen and read, are a real mixed bag. Like you have to sit through a bunch of crap before you get to see 1 or 2 solid matches. I recall a PCW show at the end of 2008 that only had 4 matches on it.. but upon leaving the event, I felt that I had got my moneys worth because the matches were very strong and it was an enjoyable experience.
It's just a shame that people can't put the past in the past, be mature, and try to work something out for the good of everyone, including the fans. Because it seems like if things stay the way they are, everyone is going to lose out.
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60 people? Sure are the best Andrew.
I heard a name change might be in the works. Any truth to that rumor?
No one is talking about your show with the big dream match that didn't draw. Why is that?
Looking for a new job? I heard McDonald's was hiring.
Is there going to be a state of the business part 2 on the way?
Triad Andy
My planned Part II may have to wait as a result of advice I have received. Eventually I will write it though.
yeah I can see why - prolly cuz of that "AWEsome" show!
Triad Andy
How was the big AWE show? Been looking for reviews but cant find anything on the old moondog board.
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You know its kinda funny so far the only people that have been defending the AWE show are Mike Davidson (because can he really not defend it?) Sheldon Heath aka Sam Harris aka the shittiest ref in the biz (he just needs to keep his job) and Pinky (because her hubby was wrestling and she wants him booked again). Everyone else is either keeping quiet about it or says it was the worst thing they have ever seen in the history of winnipeg wrestling. The one thing that i want to point out is keeping all of the PCW shitting on aside... There was 60 people at the venue tops... BUT... Davidson wants to say that there was 150... you know what whatever give him and his ego that even though everyone knows its the biggest load of shit ever. Tell me this 150 people to see New Age Outlaws and Bob Holly is that something to be proud of? I will let you be the judge.
Enjoy
One more for the bad guys!!!
Enjoy tonight's show. It's probably one of your last.
For someone who proudly claims to have the businesses best interests at heart it really shows when you are pulling in 500-700 gates. Embarrassing.
A poorly booked show in poorly attendent event. Pathetic is the word to describe the locals attitude not wanting to lay down for the names. Gotta protect that name. The sponsors if there were any got burned on this one.
Bob Harris
State Of The Business PART 2: PCW Dying a Fast Painful Death
Write it.
Normally I couldnt give 2 shits as to what people say or think..everyone is entitled to their opinion, as am I. But I came across something on facebook recently that made me laugh, think and then feel sorry for some of the people involved in Wpg. wrestling.
Now before I get into depth, let me say that this business is very two-faced. Guys will say one thing to you, then turn around and bash you, try to rib you in an attempt to get over with someone else...or just plain out lie straight to your face. Hell Im probably just as quilty as everyone else. But at the same time, Im VERY loyal to my friends that I know are loyal in return!!
Recently the "New and Improved AWE" struck a bad chord with alot of the fans and wrestlers themselves by attempting to get over at PCW's expense. For those of you that dont know, they put on a shitty slide show using facebook photos (all personal pics..not wrestling related mind you) and in the process evryone pointed the finger at Mike Davidson. While I admit that Mike should be held responsible and at fault, I feel sorry for him that he actually needed to try to embarass PCW in attempt to get his show over.
But Mike apparently didnt select the pics (thats his story and is stickin to it)...so since the number of people involved within the Wpg scene all know each other, word got out as to who selected the pics and once that was discovered, a few of the PCW wrestlers deleted said AWE "star" from their facebook.
I know I did..I mean why do I want someone as a "friend" that is gonna use personal pics of me, friends and family just so that they can get over with Davidson?
After 18 years in this business I dont need idiots doing such childish things, only to turn around and look me in the eye and say, "Whats the problem, no heat, no heat!!" Guys gotta learn to grow the fuck up already. The boys all want to work and have some fun, its to bad stupid bullshit like this prevents everyone from getting along.
Personally, Ive lost respect for a handful of guys that I once proudly called friends and thought were the future of not just Wpg wrestling but the entire Cdn. indy scene.
Royce.
My apologies for neglecting the blog lately.
I meant to write a big NHL Playoff blog but looking at my picks so far (except the Ducks which I picked as a possible cup contender), it's probably for the best.
This blog does get a lot of views, but I want to remind people that if you make personal shots at others whether it's me, PCW guys or our co-called "competitors", I won't be allowing those comments. So don't waste your time...
Thoughtful criticisms are always permitted however.
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